AR15 en 9mm... Vos avis sur le sujet ?

Sympas, il est à quel prix pour avoir une ordre d'idée !
Je cherche un .223 mais bon !

2500 boules surement autant prendre un glock + crosse rony cest 1500 de moins

Ce n'est pas comparable... Là on est dans un concept de "carabine" avec en plus le charme de l'AR15 (tout équipé d'origine en plus).
J'ai eu un glock 19 GEN4 fileté + crosse FAB par le passé... J'ai été plutôt déçu de l'ensemble. Peut-être que la crosse Rony est mieux... Mais bon, vraiment pas comparable avec le Schmeisser présenté par Sudiste. J'ai eu la chance de l'essayer tout un après-midi, c'est une arme avec une très bonne finition et très fun au tir (Juste des petits soucis avec des munitions un peu faiblardes + problème de percussion de l'amorce sur des S&B).
Je te rejoins toutefois sur le prix, pour un "simple 9mm", c'est un frein important

Sudiste a écrit:Bonjour,

En fait je me suis emballé c'est un 8"

Bon donc je met quand même les photos hein?!







A deux pouces prêt...

Tu peux décrire l'équipement de ton Schmeisser S9 Sudiste ? Car là je ne reconnais pas la crosse d'origine (une Magpul là non ?)... Tu le vends également avec un kit Guidon/Hausse relevables Magpul ? Si oui à combien proposes-tu ce pack ?

Bonjour,

Je vends l'arme avec:
- la hausse/guidon Magpull MBUS.
-Crosse CTR Mapoule
-2 Chargeurs
-1 Sangle
-1 Mallette
-1 Kit de nettoyage

Prix: 2150€ Frais de port compris.

Sachez que si vous prenez un upper en 223, vous avez votre AR-15 d'origine, et vous utiliser le 9X19 pour le training

Bonne journée.

Merci merci

ca coute combien un upper 223 ? canon + upper

Et cela demande une autorisation de plus ou c'est considéré comme une pièce détachée pour l'arme déjà achetée dans un autre calibre ? (Si on prend comme base d'exemple le S9 en 9mm)

no.nobis a écrit:ca coute combien un upper 223 ? canon + upper

armurerie BARRAUD vend le hupper complet de marque armalite pour 940€......

C'est considéré comme un élément d'arme (conversion) cela ne rentre pas dans le quotat et tu va t'en tirer pour environs 1000€

Bonne journée.

@atiloux , voila les photos de la bete .....A+ [img][/img]

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Le canon est un 10,5" ?

il a oublier de me le dire dans les photos .....j' en saurais plus mardi

Les chargeurs de UZI sont compatibles à 100% sur le Colt et ou le Schmeisser ? Ou cela demande une petite modification ?

je pense avoir trouvé la réponse !

petites modifs sans problemes
un 10.5 ou un 8 tu met en plus un sil dessus miammmmmmmmmm

Je suis tombé sur un article intéressant de Chuck Taylor qui parle de l'AR15 en 9mm :

"THE COLT M635 9mm SUBMACHINE GUN
A study in excellence

A decade ago, Colt surprised everyone in the firearms industry by entering the then-budding domestic 9mm submachine gun market -- a market completely dominated at the time by the Heckler & Koch MP5. Most said they didn't have a chance, that the MP5 was so good that Colt's new SMG wouldn't last more than a couple of years.

Well, there was a lot of truth in those statements. The MP5 is a good SMG, no question about it, and it certainly dominates both the military and police special-operations sector. But the truth didn't stop there --despite all the predictions, Colt's new entry not only survived, but prospered as well.

Called the Model 635, the weapon is based on the venerable AR15/M16's tried-and-true design. In fact, with the exception that it's blowback, rather than gas, operated (typical for SMGs), it retains all of that weapon's physical characteristics and even bears a striking resemblance to the ubiquitous 5.56mm "CAR-15" of Vietnam fame.

That it does so makes the Model 635 a "4th Generation" SMG, meaning that it is part of a fundamental weapon design, or "system" within which all integral weapons operate and field-strip the same way. The intent, of course, is to allow maximum operational and training efficiency with as little idiosyncratic variation as possible between the weapons themselves.

I always evaluate weapons using several criteria. First, mechanical engineering -- how well conceived is the weapon for its intended purpose? Second, ergonomics -- human engineering, which includes "real-world" issues like: (A) How well does the weapon fit? (B) How well located and thus operable are its controls? (C) How quickly can the operator acquire the sights under stress and can they be quickly and easily adjusted? (D) Is the gun sufficiently light and well balanced for the high-speed work inherent to combat? Third, quality of manufacture: (A) is the weapon well made and well finished, and; (B) is it accurate?

In all three of these categories, the M635 scores quite highly. Light and well balanced, it carries and mounts quickly and with relative ease. It's sights are rugged, well-protected, highly visible in all reasonable light conditions and easily adjusted. No weapon in the world has a selector switch better located (SAFE to SEMI to AUTO, with the lever literally right under the operator's firing thumb), or has a nicer gray phosphate matte finish. Moreover, it is available with either the CAR-15 retractable or more conventional fixed buttstock, thus satisfying even the most demanding aircraft/maritime/ vehicular storage and operational requirements.

It fact, the M635 is so light that some have criticized it as being uncontrollable in fully-automatic fire, alleging that it vibrates excessively. To this claim, I can only say that in a special-ops environment, no more than two-shots per burst should be utilized and, from the shoulder using proper technique, the M635 will keep both of those shots well-centered in the chest of any typical silhouette target out to a full 15 meters. No other SMG does it any better and most, considerably worse.

In a close-range spec-ops emergency or in a more typical military situation (Underarm Assault Position), the weapon is no more difficult to utilize effectively than any other shoulder arm and is, in fact, actually easier to use than most! So, at least from the practical standpoint, its my opinion that the allegation is entirely false.

Field-stripping the M635 takes only seconds and subsequent cleaning/maintenance are a snap. Due to its simpler bolt assembly, it is actually easier to clean and lubricate than the AR15/M16 system from which it came. As well, it isn't lubrication or carbon sensitive, as are a number of well-known modern SMGs.

For nearly eight years, I've used the M635 in both special-ops and military environments, jumped from aircraft with it strapped to my side and carried/fired it in both sub-zero and tropical environments. I've seen it covered with snow, dust, water and even mud; yet, it functioned without mishap, using a wide variety of 9mm ammunition. Moreover, during this period, its polycarbonate buttstock, pistolgrip and fore-end withstood abuse that at times surprised even me!

Is it accurate? Yes, it is -- even to the point of being academic. Using my M635 with Winchester 147-grain "Black Talon" JHPs, I was able to place 20 consecutive center hits on an 18x25-inch "Taylor Advanced Combat" silhouette at a full 200-meters. At 100-meters with this same ammo, it consistently shoots groups of less than 4-inches. With Hornady Custom 115- and 124-grain "XTP" JHPs, it does the same. Even military surplus ball prints inside 6-inches. Accurate enough for you? It sure is for me! And I would have no reservation about using the M635 to take that critical head-shot on a hostage-holder, even out to a full 15-meters.

Considering its many attributes, it is no wonder that DEA, the U.S. Marshal's Service and a number of other Federal agencies have adopted the M635, as have several elite counter-terrorist and military special-ops units. In addition, its civilian-legal SEMI-only "carbine" version has found considerable favor in lieu of the shotgun with a growing number of police and sheriff's departments around the country.

In short, I like the M635, especially with a 20-rd. magazine. I feel that it exhibits a superior combination of balance, light weight, simple but yet excellent mechanical/ergonomic design, thus providing an excellent package for anyone who needs a compact, highly-versatile shoulder weapon. For SWAT, counter-terrorist or standard military SMG functions it rates as one of the best."


La source :

http://www.chucktayloramericansmallarmsacademy.com/coltm635.html

eh oui isn't it ?
fonce c'est tout

atiloux a écrit:Je suis tombé sur un article intéressant de Chuck Taylor qui parle de l'AR15 en 9mm :

"THE COLT M635 9mm SUBMACHINE GUN
A study in excellence

A decade ago, Colt surprised everyone in the firearms industry by entering the then-budding domestic 9mm submachine gun market -- a market completely dominated at the time by the Heckler & Koch MP5. Most said they didn't have a chance, that the MP5 was so good that Colt's new SMG wouldn't last more than a couple of years.

Well, there was a lot of truth in those statements. The MP5 is a good SMG, no question about it, and it certainly dominates both the military and police special-operations sector. But the truth didn't stop there --despite all the predictions, Colt's new entry not only survived, but prospered as well.

Called the Model 635, the weapon is based on the venerable AR15/M16's tried-and-true design. In fact, with the exception that it's blowback, rather than gas, operated (typical for SMGs), it retains all of that weapon's physical characteristics and even bears a striking resemblance to the ubiquitous 5.56mm "CAR-15" of Vietnam fame.

That it does so makes the Model 635 a "4th Generation" SMG, meaning that it is part of a fundamental weapon design, or "system" within which all integral weapons operate and field-strip the same way. The intent, of course, is to allow maximum operational and training efficiency with as little idiosyncratic variation as possible between the weapons themselves.

I always evaluate weapons using several criteria. First, mechanical engineering -- how well conceived is the weapon for its intended purpose? Second, ergonomics -- human engineering, which includes "real-world" issues like: (A) How well does the weapon fit? (B) How well located and thus operable are its controls? (C) How quickly can the operator acquire the sights under stress and can they be quickly and easily adjusted? (D) Is the gun sufficiently light and well balanced for the high-speed work inherent to combat? Third, quality of manufacture: (A) is the weapon well made and well finished, and; (B) is it accurate?

In all three of these categories, the M635 scores quite highly. Light and well balanced, it carries and mounts quickly and with relative ease. It's sights are rugged, well-protected, highly visible in all reasonable light conditions and easily adjusted. No weapon in the world has a selector switch better located (SAFE to SEMI to AUTO, with the lever literally right under the operator's firing thumb), or has a nicer gray phosphate matte finish. Moreover, it is available with either the CAR-15 retractable or more conventional fixed buttstock, thus satisfying even the most demanding aircraft/maritime/ vehicular storage and operational requirements.

It fact, the M635 is so light that some have criticized it as being uncontrollable in fully-automatic fire, alleging that it vibrates excessively. To this claim, I can only say that in a special-ops environment, no more than two-shots per burst should be utilized and, from the shoulder using proper technique, the M635 will keep both of those shots well-centered in the chest of any typical silhouette target out to a full 15 meters. No other SMG does it any better and most, considerably worse.

In a close-range spec-ops emergency or in a more typical military situation (Underarm Assault Position), the weapon is no more difficult to utilize effectively than any other shoulder arm and is, in fact, actually easier to use than most! So, at least from the practical standpoint, its my opinion that the allegation is entirely false.

Field-stripping the M635 takes only seconds and subsequent cleaning/maintenance are a snap. Due to its simpler bolt assembly, it is actually easier to clean and lubricate than the AR15/M16 system from which it came. As well, it isn't lubrication or carbon sensitive, as are a number of well-known modern SMGs.

For nearly eight years, I've used the M635 in both special-ops and military environments, jumped from aircraft with it strapped to my side and carried/fired it in both sub-zero and tropical environments. I've seen it covered with snow, dust, water and even mud; yet, it functioned without mishap, using a wide variety of 9mm ammunition. Moreover, during this period, its polycarbonate buttstock, pistolgrip and fore-end withstood abuse that at times surprised even me!

Is it accurate? Yes, it is -- even to the point of being academic. Using my M635 with Winchester 147-grain "Black Talon" JHPs, I was able to place 20 consecutive center hits on an 18x25-inch "Taylor Advanced Combat" silhouette at a full 200-meters. At 100-meters with this same ammo, it consistently shoots groups of less than 4-inches. With Hornady Custom 115- and 124-grain "XTP" JHPs, it does the same. Even military surplus ball prints inside 6-inches. Accurate enough for you? It sure is for me! And I would have no reservation about using the M635 to take that critical head-shot on a hostage-holder, even out to a full 15-meters.

Considering its many attributes, it is no wonder that DEA, the U.S. Marshal's Service and a number of other Federal agencies have adopted the M635, as have several elite counter-terrorist and military special-ops units. In addition, its civilian-legal SEMI-only "carbine" version has found considerable favor in lieu of the shotgun with a growing number of police and sheriff's departments around the country.

In short, I like the M635, especially with a 20-rd. magazine. I feel that it exhibits a superior combination of balance, light weight, simple but yet excellent mechanical/ergonomic design, thus providing an excellent package for anyone who needs a compact, highly-versatile shoulder weapon. For SWAT, counter-terrorist or standard military SMG functions it rates as one of the best."


La source :

http://www.chucktayloramericansmallarmsacademy.com/coltm635.html

alors traduit un peu pour un inculte .... a part chuck taylor ....qu'ont connais bien au NTTC , le reste je nage

bon j'ai fait google traduction ......bon quand chuck parle arme ....ont ecoute .....alors que va tu faire @atiloux???

Pour faire un très gros résumé

Il explique qu'au début cette arme était donnée pour une vie courte vu la carton du HK MP5 à l'époque (considéré comme le meilleur PM du moment).
Mais l'AR15 en 9mm aura réussi à démontrer ses qualités et s'implanter aussi bien sur le marché que le MP5.

Il souligne donc les qualités de l'arme ; elle est légère et bien équilibrée (il parle là d'un version 9mm 10", le Colt SMG mod. 635), d'excellente conception mécanique et ergonomique, qu'elle monte très bien en cible... Bien conçu et bonne finition.

Qu'en environnement opérationnel, beaucoup de PM font pire mais que très peu font mieux... L'entretien est un jeu d'enfant et encore plus simple qu'avec une AR15 en 5,56 (Pour rappel le sytème de fonctionnement est différent de celui de l'AR15 dont il est issu).

Chuck Taylor l'a utilisé pendant 8 ans dans des théâtres d'opérations militaires divers et difficiles (Zone tropicale, Neige, Boue, Poussière...) et l'arme a toujours fonctionné et avec différentes munitions.
Bref, il aime bien cette arme et qu'elle fait partie des meilleurs dans son domaine, c'est une arme d'épaule très polyvalente.

D'ailleurs le SWAT, l'utilise pour la lutte contre le terrorisme. Aussi, compte tenu de ses nombreuses qualités, il dit que ce n'est pas étonnant que la DEA, le Service de Maréchal des États-Unis et un certain nombre d'autres agences fédérales ont adopté cette arme. Tout comme plusieurs unités d'élite anti-terroristes et militaires.

Egalement, la version semi-auto a remplacé beaucoup d'autres fusils en dotation avec un nombre croissant d'équipement des services de police et des Shérifs aux USA.

Voilou, j'ai essayé de faire un résumé avec une traduction au plus juste

Ben écoute Corsicisteremu, c'est bien de lire un peu littérature sur le sujet pour se rendre compte que cette arme n'est pas un simple gadget. Car c'est vrai qu'en France on voit très peu d'utilisateur d'AR15 en 9mm, on ne jure qu'à travers les (nombreuses) versions en .223/5,56.

Pourtant, l'ayant eu déjà en main au stand en France (en Schmeisser) et aux USA (en Colt), c'est vrai que l'arme me semblait très fun et sympa à l'utilisation (malgré des petits incidents de percussions ou d'alimentation que j'ai pu rencontrer avec des munitions low profile).

Sans doute le prix qui bloque à l'achat en France versus les clones de MP5 plus accessibles en prix...

hello
n'oublie pas que c'est le genre d'arme que tu conserves tres longtemps : utilisation de 05m a 150 m precis ,avec une munition economique acceptée dans tous les stands ; quand il en passe en occasion ils ne restent pas longtemps
cdlt

Surtout collt ... Après les autres marques sont peut être moins rare ..

Le Colt est en effet la marque la plus rare en France en AR 9mm. SDI plutôt difficile à trouver également...

Vendu le SDI deux semaine avant que tu me parle de ce topic, mais je pense savoir ou en dénicher un autre au cas ou

le sdi est une valeur sure

Sudiste a écrit:Vendu le SDI deux semaine avant que tu me parle de ce topic, mais je pense savoir ou en dénicher un autre au cas ou

Neuf ou occasion ? Quelle taille de canon ?

Hum, j'ai le retour, le gars vends un 14''5 d'occasion, j’attends les photos pour voir si il ne vends pas une drouille...